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Eric Ouellet

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BoA:Audio welcomes author Eric Ouellet for an absolutely mind-bending edition of the program where we discuss his new book, Illuminations, which presents the hypothesis that UFOs are a parapsychological phenomenon. Over the course of this incredibly deep conversation, Eric provides listeners with an understanding of what parapsychology is and how it differs from many other realms of paranormal research. He then explains how parapsychological research into poltergeist activity may be applied to the UFO phenomenon and, in turn, reveal a possible new perspective, which he calls the 'Parapsychological Hypothesis,' on the enigma. Additionally, he demonstrates this concept by looking at the Washington D.C. UFO flap of 1952 and applying the tools of parapsychology to it.

A potentially paradigm-shifting installment of the program which expands and illustrates the long-theorized concept of mind-created UFOs with remarkable clarity as Eric Ouellet discusses Illuminations.

Recap: We kick things off with the standard bio / background on Eric Ouellet and find out how he got interested in UFOs as well as parapsychology. We then have Eric provide some background on parapsychology, specifically scientific parapsychology, including the history of this research and a key element which differentiates parapsychology from other paranormal fields. Eric also details the various psi abilities which have been studied by parapsychological researchers, including ESP-type phenomena as well as psychokinesis (mind over matter) type occurrences. Since we've never delved in parapsychology on the program before, we have Eric explain the types of research being done by the field and the sort of results that have been observed so far.

We then jump into the general thesis of Illuminations, which is that the UFO phenomenon is a psi effect created by the human mind rather than an outside, sentient force. We start by having Eric clarify if hallucinations are included in this hypothesis and, if so, how. He then provides an example of this hypothesis in action with a hypothetical UFO sighting where different people have a shared sighting via some kind of telepathic experience. We take a brief aside to talk about how the UFO phenomenon presents the challenge of causing both personal and impersonal experiences for witnesses. We then return to the hypothetical UFO sighting presented by Eric as we try to further elucidate his hypothesis of parapsychological UFOs.

Continuing the discussion of a shared paranormal experience, Eric talks about a group of researchers in Toronto which seemingly created a ghost via their collective imagination. This leads to him talking a bit about the tulpa and how it may be a misunderstood concept in some paranormal circles. We then talk about possible natural sources for UFO phenomenon which would account for the physical aspect of the phenomenon, including plasma, electromagnetic conditions, and Earth lights. We have Eric detail what we know, at this point, about how much electromagnetic conditions can influence the human mind.

Getting back to our discussion on Eric's parapsychological hypothesis for UFOs, we have him discuss the 'Model of Pragmatic Information,' which is a pattern of events that seem to consistently emerge in poltergeist cases. Eric takes us, step by step, through the MPI to illustrate how this pattern can be seen at work in a poltergeist case. He goes on to talk about how collective confusion combined with the shared belief in a supernatural source are key elements in how these poltergeist events unfold. We also learn about how the focus person in a poltergeist case seem to, as the phenomenon lessens, feel compelled to hoax the effects towards the end of the 'haunting.'

Next, we talk about what can be discerned when we apply the Model of Pragmatic Information to the UFO phenomenon, specifically UFO waves, but first have Eric detail how he even ended up considering using the model to examine UFO events. We then have Eric walk us through the 1952 Washington D.C. UFO wave and how it works within the confines of the Model of Pragmatic Information, beginning with the sociological climate at the time which could serve as a substitute for the troubles which afflict the focus person in a poltergeist case. We also cover one remarkable aspect which emerges when we apply the MPI to a UFO case: once the object can be identified, it can no longer exist.

Staying within the realm of applying the MPI to UFOs, we get Eric's take on the perspective problem, specifically when it comes to radar picking up UFOs which, ostensibly, are created by psi effect and not real 'spaceships.' We then take a diversion from the MPI and discuss why Eric believes world governments are "institutionally indifferent" to the UFO phenomenon rather than actively trying to cover it up. Applying the parapsychological hypothesis to a smaller scale, we find out if Eric thinks a single UFO event is predicated on one sole person or if that can be spawned by social effects alone.

Looking at some broader points of discussion spawned from Illuminations, we discuss how, if we apply the MPI concept to UFOs, the reduced public interest in UFOs in modern times may account for the lack of major UFO events, since the subconscious may no longer see the phenomenon as the best way to garner attention from society at large. This leads to some unsettling discussion of how, if UFOs continue to diminish in meaning, the phenomenon may simply die off over time, which segues into some discussion of crop circles looked at within the paradigm of the MPI.

We then go down a philosophical road as we ponder how, if UFOs are merely a product of psi abilities emanating from the mind, then humanity is back to being alone in the universe which can be a somewhat daunting and lonely proposition. Thankfully, Eric provides us with some positive perspective if such a scenario is true. In light of the widespread belief that poltergeist cases are caused by a distressed youngster, we find out if there are cases where the introduction of a psychologist has helped cease the poltergeist activity. Considering the unique nature of the parapsychological hypothesis, we ask Eric what sort of additional, previously overlooked, information should be collected by those taking UFO reports.

Nearing the end of the conversation, we talk about how Eric has looked at the evolution of ET encounter cases and that these trends seem to repeatedly predict social changes which ultimately happen in the world a few years later. We also ponder why there doesn't seem to be any similar predictive trend from the last past 35 years. Additionally, we ask Eric if there is a way to use database-based statistical research to further elucidate his work. This segues into some talk about how the sheer absurdity of some UFO and alien encounters suggests that they could be the product of psi abilities acting on the subconscious mind.

Closing out the program, we find out if there has been any reaction from the parapsychological field to Eric's examination of the UFO phenomenon. Additionally, we find out where folks can read more work by Eric Ouellet, including a blog where he first worked through some of his ideas concerning parapsychology, sociology, and the paranormal. And we find out what's next for Eric Ouellet now that Illuminations has been published. Finally, Binnall shares a weird story of how our original interview with Eric was disrupted by insane static on the phone line which prefaced a complete blow out of our phone line at BoA HQ, to which Eric shares a similarly odd story involving interviews and static.

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